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Hi Jen
Poor you, poor Maggie. These things always happen at the most awkward times, just to make us worry more. Sorry you have this to contend with on your trip – Patrice has explained everything possible already. I suspect it might be vestibular too – it sounds a bit like what happened to my old Border Collie. He was suddenly very dizzy & nauseous, fell over, walked in circles & developed the rapid side to side eye movement called nystagmus. He also had pee & poo accidents as he didn’t know where he was. He was much more badly affected than Maggie by the sounds of it & he was soon back to normal. If that happened to us, we would be sick & dizzy too! Like the Horner’s syndrome, they are not in any pain.
It is very distressing to watch, I know, & it really upset me to see him like that. The good news is that it usually resolves in a couple of weeks but you will probably need anti-nausea medications (motion sickness pills for dogs can help) & some vets also give other meds depending on the cause. It is likely that this ear discharge is an indication of an ear infection. I agree with Mary. That, together with the palsy, makes me suspicious about an infection too. Ketoconazole is used to kill fungal infections, not bacteria, so you might need an antibiotic instead – I would not use the ketoconazole again without asking a vet first – some drugs should be avoided with the AIHA medications & if it isn’t a fungal infection it won’t work anyway. Maybe you could pop into a vets & get them to have a look in her ear & get an antibiotic instead if necessary – simple – problem solved! My specialist told me never to use penicillin based antibiotics with Worzel because of the AIHA, so if the vet doesn’t know what’s happened with Maggie, you need to to tell them that & make sure they know what medications she is taking too. If in any doubt, post another message & I’ll gladly check for drug interactions etc for you. Going to a vet will stop you worrying & then you can enjoy your trip in peace – you deserve a good time after being such a great Mum to dear Maggie.
Keep us all posted on how you are getting on
Love & hugs
Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Hi Debra,
When I saw Sadie’s picture just now I got all teary eyed. You might have seen an other red Standard Poodle (or two) on the website. One of them is Kahlu, the other is Enzo.
Right now there is not really anything I can tell you, the others have done such a good job in explaining and with their advice. I hope with all my heart that your girl is feeling better, that the medications are kicking in and that you see improvement. Never give up!!!
I would be very interested to know where Sadie came from. There are not too many breeders of red Standards and I would like to know if our dogs are related. AIHA can run in certain breeds, if it runs in certain lines is not proven. It would be so interesting to find out more. My dogs breeder assured me she had never seen this disease in her dogs before and I tend to believe her. But then she might not even know. My dogs are from Paris Poodles in Chilliwack, British Columbia Canada.
Please give Sadie a very special hug from me and be assured I will send lots of good positive thoughts her way.
Best wishes,
Brigitte & the poodle boys
Hi Jen
I’m sorry to read you are going through this worry, especially so close to your trip. When I read your post I wondered about uveitis and I see Patrice has also mentioned it. Molly had it once although it disappeared very quickly and the cause was not found (but suspected herpes infection). In her case her eye suddenly went cloudy, she acted terrified and kept blinking.
I am wondering about some sort of inflammation or damage to some of the cranial nerves (which could cause nystagmus, balance (vestibular) problems and Bell’s palsy). Infection can be a cause – is Maggie on antibiotics? I don’t know what time it is there but it must be getting late so I am wondering if your vet has an out of hours service you could call to discuss before you go?
Please keep us posted when you can and drive safely. I hope Maggie feels better very soon.
All best wishes,
Mary and Mable x
Hi Terri. Just wanted to chime in too and say CONGRATULATIONS!!! You did not give up and your diligence and determination FINALLY has prevailed!!! Absolutely, the RIGHT vet makes all the difference. Yeah!!! Now you can work toward a well Koda. He is very lucky to have your love and care.
And agree – you are part of our family AND your journey can help others. PLEASE stick around and keep us posted with Koda’s plan and how things are going.
I also want to commend the forum team. This is definitely a star example of helping. Patrice, your e-mails and posts blew me away. I have learned so much. Thank you Patrice, thank you all
Love and huge way-to-go hugs! Linda and Sadie
OS – Thinking back – it did freak Sadi and she had a very hard time eating. Had to hand feed her too. Now – it’s old hat and she devours. ;)
It’s okay. Small pieces of boiled chicken might be good to intice her to try eating again. What ever you give, just very small pieces.
Remember, not only can they not chew, they can’t swallow well either. And don’t worry about the duration – the first side for Sadie lasted almost 6 weeks. The second side, only two weeks, however, ironically – that’s the side that sags.
Let me know. xo Linda
Hi Hen. Think we were tying at the same time. I do ‘t think I spelled it right on my prior post – should have been Puralube Vet Ointment (petrolatum opthalmic ointment – sterile ocular lubricant). Tiny tube, buy several. Online, was not expensive at all. In the meantime, you may have to get one from a vet, to get you through this. I am not sure if human drops are okay, as I used vet. Your vet didn’t have anything for Maggie? A sample would be good, for now?
I am sorry she’s not eating. This paralysis may have her freaked a bit. Be sure to give her soft food. It is hard for them to chew. How bad is the paralysis? The eye is not blinking on the affected side? Goodness – poor little Maggie. Poor you. Don’t panic though – THIS we can handle.
Love and hugs, Linda
Hi Jen – hope I got you before you’re on the road. Sadie is good – thanks for asking. She is teetering between 38-48 (10% gap – weird, 40 today – wa 46 last week, retesting Monday….). But she is acting good and her color is good. She goes for a non-annesthesia teeth cleaning in morning, so a little apprehensive about that….
I am So sorry poor Maggie is deling with paralysis. Did your vet mention Horner’s Syndrome? That is what it’s called in dogs. It can be brought on by many different things. It’s hard to say. Maggie’s high blood pressure, just as with humans, of course, influence this, I guess. I’m glad they are treating it. Better safe. Let me know how this works.
Horner’s Syndrome (paralisis, palsy) is a bit tricky. Apparently, cockers are prone to this. Add to that, cockers with AIHA, on Atopica and wella, it happens. The three cockers I know of that have had (Horner’s Syndrome) palsey, have all had AIHA and on Atopica. This is the reason why, once Sadie was stable, I discontinued the Atopica (cyclosporine) and continued with the Prednisone. Although, now Sadie has it and she’s only on 7.5mg’s of Prednisone daily. Geeze!! ????
And yes, you are right, Sadie’s palsey started on one side (left). Left that side and a few days later, went to the other side (right). She actually, right now, has it back in her left eye.
It is not painful for them. But, as in Sadie’s case, she can not blink that eye. To keep her eye lubricated, I use Puralube Vet Ointment. The first tube came from the vet, but I now order online. I administer it two to three times a day. I’m using it now.
Some dogs (cockers included) totally get over it. It just goes away on it’s own. Sadie had such bad paralysis on her right side, that her jowl still sags a bit. While the paralisis was full fledge, she would drool and food would drop out of her mouth while eating, on the side affected. It’s hard to watch them. Sad.
Also, and I did not know this prior, dogs have an inner eyelid. When Sadie is going though an episode of palsey, I can tell because when she is sleeping, her eye ‘looks open’ but actually it’s the inner lid covering over and it’s pinkish/red. Looks quite disturbing, but I am continually reminded by her vet that it is not painful.
Also, due to the inability to close her eye(s) or blink, Sadie now wears doggie sunglasses when we go for a walk when windy. At first, the glasses freaked her out, but now she is used to them. I know – I owe a pic of Sadie in her shades!!! Coming…..promise!
What can you do for it? The first time with Sadie, we added an antibiotic. But it didn’t help. We did that because we were not sure what was casing it. However, massaging the face, above ear and top of head, down her neck, did help. Be sure you are gentle – always use long motions, no digging in your fingers. You want to massage the muscle and nerve around the eye. I actually found a video on utube showing how to do it. I do this several times a day. When through, Sadie is like puddy. Ha. She loves the massages and will come up and puch her head into my hand, begging for more. :)
I have several articles about dealing with Horner’s Syndrome, but the best advice I got was from a cocker forum. I will look for them and send today. But basically, from What I have read and researched, it will most likely go away on it’s own.
I have no idea what causes Horner’s Syndrome. As Sadie has it now, this will be the third time Sadie has had it. Not to worry though, Maggie may well get over it and that’s it. Just remember though, it’s NOT painful for them.
Will send article soon. Please try not up worry too much about this.
Love and huge hugs to Maggie and hang-in-there hugs to you,
Linda and Sadie
PS – sorry for typos – on phone……