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Susie – no need to panic or worry at all – 39 is NORMAL. We like normal. She might go up a bit anyway in a few days as you’ve just done the reduction.
See this chart – look at PCV & HCT
http://www.2ndchance.info/normaldogandcatbloodvalues.htm
Do you know what her normal was before the IMHA? Most of us don’t know. At one time during treatment, I would have paid a million pounds to see 39 on Worzel’s result!
Sheena x
Hi Ivan’s Mum!
Lovely that you have joined us – if you have 21 other animals, you must be a real softie – what others do you have? We’d love to hear about them.
I couldn’t agree more with Brigitte, Lynn & Vally – take the reductions slowly & carefully. You can read more about prednisone here:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/prednisone/
and how to reduce it safely here:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/prednisone-dose-reduction/
I’d just like to emphasise how important taking the dose down slowly is – relapses are no fun & it is much better to do the right thing so Ivan recovers properly. We also normally recommend getting them off the prednisone completely before reducing the other immuno-suppressant drug(s) (in your case, the azathioprine) & to get regular PCV checks – it’s usually much better that way.
Could I also recommend getting Ivan’s amylase levels checked each time too. Azathioprine can cause pancreatitis & a raised amylase level can be a “first” indicator of that. My dog Worzel was on azathioprine (still has one per week) & my specialist said we must do this at every check up to make sure he wasn’t having a problem. I think it’s very important with smaller dogs to do this too.
Again, I agree with the denamarin – it is great for liver protection & provides red cell building blocks. If you are using milk thistle & Sam-E separately, here is a site which you can work out the milk thistle dosage from:
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/milk_thistle.htm
It says use 20% of the human dose for a 20lb dog. There are also other recommendations there which are helpful.
Here is the manufacturer’s site for Sam-E complete with dosages:
http://www.nutralifepet.com/sam-e-for-pets
I must also say that having a specialist who has experience of this disease is very important. I was lucky to find someone here in France who trained at Cornell University so his being able to speak English was a big help too! I would recommend you find someone who knows their stuff. If you are unable to do that, we have a link on here to the wonderful Dr Dodds of Hemopet who many of us have consulted. She is wonderful, kind, highly experienced & very qualified. You can find her under our heading Hemopet resources
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/hemopetresources/
and you can do an online consultation with her using the form you can see bottom left. Her fees are very reasonable & you will only pay the $100 consultation fee to start with, then there are usually no further consultation charges. Hemopet is a charity too – that makes it doubly nice to use her as it helps with the greyhound rehoming. If you use her lab, obviously there would be charges for that kind of thing, but most of the tests can be done by your own vet anyway.
Ivan sounds like a real cutie – give him a hug from me. Hope we have helped a little. Ask anything – we are all here to help.
Love Sheena, Worzel (diagnosed Dec 2012, in remission) & his friend Ollie xxxxx
Hi Vally
Another thought – I forgot about Ursodiol – it lowers liver enzymes too – worth mentioning to Dr Dodds too??? I see Patrice recommended getting Bingo’s bile acids checked – a great idea. Ursodiol is very useful for bile acid problems.
Yes – turmeric is rated on the anti-oxidant, anti inflammatory, cancer prevention fronts too. I had forgotten Bingo was on that already – sorry, Vally. There is a lot of hype about it just now in the medical world – it contains circumin & has been used in Chinese & Indian herbal medicine for a long time.
How are those shoes doing? I think they’ll help him a lot. We have mats everywhere now as Worzel slips sometimes – something else to worry about!
Love Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Hi Vally
Wow!!!!! 50 is fantastic – I think Bingo needs a big medal for that.
Those liver enzymes aren’t too bad, Vally, but like me, you worry even though the vet says not to – I would want to try to do something if it were me. How about dropping Dr Dodds a quick line? I would. Maybe there is some leeway with the milk thistle dose – & also her liver cleansing diet might be an idea for a little while? I know how well you feed him, Vally – he gets very well looked after, so I imagine you’re already on top of that one.
I was reading that turmeric also may reduce liver enzymes, but it can also act as an anti-clotting agent. I also read you can’t use it for too long in humans as a high level supplement, so I would definitely as Dr Dodds about this before starting it.
There is also something called schisandra, a chinese herb – I bet Dr Dodds will know about this for dogs as she is very up on Chinese medicine (what doesn’t she know????) – I can’t find much about use for dogs, but it works for people with liver problems.
Last thought – Acetylcysteine which contains glutathione – it is used for paracetamol (tylenol) acetaminophen – overdose (poisoning) & therefore definitely helps the liver recover. Again, I would ask Dr Dodds, though.
Looks like it’s over to Dr Dodds or your specialist (still Uncle Phil I presume?)
Hope this helps – I’m sure others will have some ideas too.
It is true Vally – if the vet isn’t too worried, Bingo is fine, Especially with a PCV of 50
– whoopeeee!!!!
Love Sheena & the boys xxxxx
Hi Susie
Please give your beautiful Emily a gentle birthday cuddle from Auntie Sheena. I have a feeling she is spoiled every day – and deserves it too!
Actually Susie, she has the greatest Mum – YOU have made sure she’s been very well looked after.
Loads of love & big hugs
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SWEET EMILY
Sheena & the boys xoxoxox
Hi Alyssa
I think we have a competition on our hands here – funny snoring & yawning videos would be great! My non-IMHA dog Ollie, is the funniest yawner ever – I can’t even describe the weirdness! Waaahhhiiiiahhhdnuuuu. Worzel is a very pretty snorer – a girlie noise from a boy!
Lynn – what did we do without you being here for us all? I am so very happy your back with us- love you & your babies loads
Sheena, Snchnnhhhhh, & Waaahhhiiiiahhhdnuuuu xxxxx???
Hi Alyssa
Sassie is just TOOOOOO funny with her snoring – that must be really something to hear! Worzel is a bit of a snorer, but it’s very quiet & cute actually. He became even more clingy with the IMHA – I think that’s quite normal because we have to watch them like a hawk for so long, they get used to us being very close & vigilant. No doubt Miss Sassy is the same – missing the attention.
We have had a real heatwave here, so poor old Phil has gone into another bedroom because he can’t handle the heat from Worzel right next to us! I always slept with my hand on his chest when he was really ill – I still do now. Spoilt? YES!!!!! Our other lovely dog Ollie will NOT sleep on the bed for love nor money – “I want my very own bed & some peace & quiet”, he says.
I do think the skin problems will slowly settle with pred reduction, Alyssa, These drugs make their skin so dried out & their coat just isn’t normal. I promise Worzel looked awful – lots of baldy bits, peely skin & a dull, poor coat. Apart from one bit on his leg which is still completely hairless (infected for ages), everything is back to normal now. He is brown & white with pinky skin with lots of brown “naughty” spots – some of his pale skin goes black in the summer with the sun, then pales again in the winter. I am totally convinced this is the drugs – even though it was 2 years ago he stopped the pred!
I’m so happy Sassy is getting more & more lively – this shows she’s getting better all the time. The reduction in appetite is also really good news too. A bit of bad skin is the least of our worries – you will be surprised how quickly Sassy gets to look like her young & beautiful self again.
Love & hugs
Sheena, Mr Clingy Pants, Mr Gimme My Own Space & Mr In the Spare Room