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It’s your choice at this point. I am not sure vets take back meds nor do they appreciate having clients buy drugs on line
Tell me a bit more about how they diagnosed her need for this? I have missed some things so I am not up to speed. Was there definitely a test panel done and it indicated several low values?
I just have always used Soloxine because my vets know about this particular sensitivity and never would have prescribed anything else. Your vet has either had great success with Levothyroxine or isn’t familiar with this peculiarity.
When is morning? Wait the few hours til they open, call them and see if they will swap out for Soloxine. If they struggle with you, just use the Levothyroxine for now. If there is no response or some issues, bring it up again with your vet. Not all dogs are affected this way.
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patrice
Alyssa,
Time of day doesn’t really matter in this case. What is important is a “steady” state of hormone in the body. That means exactly every 12 hours. The half life of Soloxine is about 12 hours, so that is why it’s important to dose regularly.
This simply mimics how our body works, attempting to keep homeostasis.
I should note here, and have been remiss in not mentioning this before, it is well known that many dogs respond much differently (and negatively) to generic thyroxine than they do to Soloxine, the brand. I personally always use Soloxine because of this.
I have a friend who breeds Great Danes. One of her females was on thyroid supplementation and the vet prescribed thyroxine. This dog responded to this with seizures. Once she was switched to Soloxine this resolved. Not all dogs respond the same way, but it is important for me to mention that there can be extreme reactions.
Why the difference? It’s pretty simple. Brand drugs develop proprietary manufacturing processes using specific quality fillers. The amount of drug in each tablet is quality controlled. They ensure that there will be homogeneity from one tablet to the next. Generic drugs are not always manufactured with the same care (and are often manufactured in other countries). Why does the government let this happen? They often evaluate drug quality by evaluating the amount of drug in a batch, not necessarily from one pill to the next. If the batch has the right amount then they consider that acceptable.
Certain medications that are critical and can cause life threatening side effects if the dose is different from one pill to the next are put on a list called Critical Dose Drugs. The government wants to apply more rigid controls to the manufacture of these drugs. One such drug, digoxin, can be extremely dangerous if over or under dosed from one pill to the next, even leading to death. I experienced this when treating Chance for a heart condition. His digoxin (a human drug) was recalled for exactly this reason and in fact, he was having collapses because of this. I put him on Lanoxine, the brand drug to avoid this happening again.
Soloxine might not have the same life threatening side effects, but maintaining steady levels of this drug in the blood seems to be critical to many dogs. You might get the same dose in a generic averaged out over the 100 or so pills in the bottle, but they may use fillers that don’t have equivalent bio-availability quality. So one pill that is supposed to be .3mg may be .2mg while the next one may be .4
Something to keep in mind, if you can afford the brand, use it.
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patrice
Ok, here is the skinny. Dogs with hair, like Shih Tzu’s, Giant Schnauzers, Poodles etc have a really tough time on prednisone. They can get thin skin, blackheads and have a poor, thin hair coat.
There is no question that every dog taking high dose prednisone is automatically going to have Iatrogenic Cushing’s Disease. And that includes a breakdown of the outer protective dermis. This has to do with the fact that our skin is the organ that protects us from the environment. Bacteria,viruses, fungus and maybe even molds and microscopic parasites are always on our skin. Our healthy immune system easily handles that stuff without us even knowing it.
I sympathize with you. Chance was a Giant Schnauzer and his coat looked like hell while we were treating him with prednisone. Please look at the first three photos of Chance in my Flickr account:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/patricel/sets/72157602714279765
Do you see the third one where he looks like a brillo pad? His coat was so thin I cried. But please look at the first one again, taken a year after he had recovered. Doesn’t he look grand?
Emily will get well, the prednisone dose will be reduced and her coat will return to normal.
But. I want you to go to the vets and have a skin scraping done. We need to make sure this isn’t an overgrowth of one of the things I mentioned. They can help you treat that.
They may suggest a shampoo or spray. I recommend Douxo Chlorhexidine PS Micro-emulsion Spray. My vet recommends this, keeps it on the shelf and I have used it on my dogs. It is gentle and may help this heal.
http://www.douxo.us/dermatology/douxo-dermatology-dogs-pyodermia-shampoo.html
You can get a bottle of it on Amazon for about $17.
In the meantime, no hair cuts, no grooming salons. Gently wash her coat sparingly with something like oatmeal shampoo but otherwise avoid fussing with it.
Keep bedding, toys, carpets absolutely clean. If you can wash bedding and toys in hot water, do it. And a steam clean of the carpets would be good too.
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patrice
Susie,
Can you upload a photo to me via the Upload Your Photo on the right side of this page?
I am pretty sure this is a staph infection. The skin can become quite fragile, oozy and red. Then the hair falls out completely, usually in a round circle.
There are a couple of pictures of this on the glossary page:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/staph-infection/
Follow the cleaning instructions here.
The vet probably would want a swab or scrape of the area and then will prescribe the correct antibiotic to treat it.
This is really common when taking high dose prednisone.
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patrice
Alyssa,
Desire to play is one of the most important signs of recovery in dogs. This is super!
I’d say this is probably a staph infection. A small skin scrapping will be needed. There are some good specific antibiotics that will take care of this quickly.
Read more here:
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/AIHA_Terms/staph-infection/
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patrice
Alyssa,
The two values you are looking at that are above normal are ALT Alanine Transaminase and ALP Alkaline phosphatase, both values that are usually recognized as liver enzyme values. However, they can also sometimes reflect inflammation in other organs as well.
But in general, when a dog is on prednisone these two values will tend to rise and can often be extremely high. The liver is the organ that must process the prednisone and as it performs this function liver cells are destroyed. The enzymes are the byproduct of that cell death. The liver is highly regenerative and can recover, if there was no organic liver disease prior to AIHA, from this insult very quickly once the dose of prednisone is lowered and discontinued.
When Chance was being treated for non-regenerative anemia, both his ALT and ALKP were extremely high, he had been on prednisone for several months at that point. The ALKP was nearly 38x higher than normal. The ALT was also similarly high. These values indicated that his liver was highly inflamed and they needed to come down quickly for his health. I used Denamarin and considered it one of the most important parts of his treatment. Very shortly after starting Denamarin the values began to drop and eventually got down to about 1x normal. It is expensive, but he was in serious trouble and it helped him immediately.
Your chem screen, however, only shows a mild elevation in both ALT and ALP, not even 2x normal. You don’t need to worry at this point too much. Use some high quality milk thistle as a supplement. This supplement is not regulated so it is important to find a manufacturer that ensures the quality.
The glucose values is just barely over the normal high value. Unless this value has been a bit high consistently for a number of chem screens I would say this is probably because she may not have been fasted properly before the blood was drawn and you are seeing the result of a recent meal.
Make sure that she is fasted for 8-10 hours before the blood test, but make sure she has plenty of water. Blood glucose is a dynamic value. Our body is constantly adjusting it throughout the day in response to our food intact and numerous other stimulants like stress.
Talking about stress… Please take some time for yourself tonight, please. A nice hot bath with a good book or if you can get away for a movie. It’s Mommy’s night to reward herself for doing such a good job.
The only other values I see are some indications she may have an infection. Something to discuss with the vet the next time you are there.
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patrice

