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Taylor,
That is an awful start to life. It’s a very interesting question.
First, infection and subsequent disease by any tick disease has a lot of variables.
The first very important consideration is the location where he lived. The diseases that ticks carry are variable across the United States and Canada, and they have also changed in the nearly 10 years since Harley was born. The Northeast US has been the hotbed of Lyme disease for a long time. But other parts of the country have not seen this disease until more recently because of warmer climate and tick migration. There are other very serious tick diseases that ticks carry such as Ehrlichiosis, Anaplasmosis, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Babesiosis, Powassan Disease and others that are very regional. Dr. Dodds has written an article on the types of ticks and what regional diseases they carry.
https://drjeandoddspethealthresource.tumblr.com/post/158354078546/ticks-and-tick-borne-diseases-in-dogs#.Wxk7zlf4y4U
CAPC Companion Animal Parasite Council has a interactive map of the US and Canada that allows owners to explore which tick diseases dogs are being positively identified as having contracted.
http://www.petsandparasites.org/parasite-prevalence-maps/
Go to the map and click on the state where you live, them from the top of the map select Tick Borne Disease Agents and the tick disease you want to check. You can zoom into your county to get local numbers. You can select by year or by month as well. On the side of the map it will display the percentage and number of tested dogs that returned a positive disease, along with the total tested. These are confirmed diagnosed dogs. CAPC is also clear to indicate this is probably a small portion of dogs with disease since many owners never test their dogs.
So once you know what kinds of diseases ticks carry in your area you have a better idea of what a dog could be exposed to.
The next criteria is obviously was any dog in those areas protected against tick bites with some form of topical or ingested tic preventative? That reduces risk.
Then the next variability is if a tick was ever attached did he actually contract the tick disease(s)? There is exposure to disease and there is infection. It is quite possible for a dog to be exposed but fight off infection. Symptoms are variable and can be missed by owners who are not aware.
Lyme disease tends to be very invasive causing havoc in many areas of the body. But the condition vets are most concerned about is the attack on the kidneys. This would be unmistakably serious. Other symptoms might fly under the radar such as shifting joint pain, neurological symptoms.
There are other tick diseases, as I mentioned above, that most ticks also carry and that I consider very dangerous causing serious diseases. Ehrlichiosis is more prevalent now in the lower 2/3 of the country while anaplasmosis is being see in the upper Northeast and in a few states bordering Canada. Lyme disease is prevalent in the Northeast and a few states bordering Canada and moderately active in the upper 1/2 of the US. Tick diseases are world wide and mirror the variability of location.
There is controversy about Lyme disease in particular because some parts of the medical community feel it is only an acute disease and if treated goes away. There are humans who have contracted Lyme disease who claim otherwise. Many people feel they have a chronic form of the disease which devastates their lives. This is a complex medical controversy. I have a friend who probably contracted it in the late 90’s and is now totally disabled and unable to walk and uses an electric chair. She went un-diagnosed for a long time and then finally when diagnosed the treatments were not effective.
So the answer is maybe, maybe not. If he did contract it early in his life, or any of the other diseases, the question is will the screening test pick it up? The SNAP4DX is a yes/no test, not a quantitative test. There are other more sensitive tests that tell you “how much” infection there is. So sometimes it is also important to use those tests to determine infection and how serious it is. If being treated, they can tell you if the treatment is working.
By the way there are other diseases that can also cause havoc with the kidneys. Leptospirosis is a very serious condition that can cause kidney failure very quickly. There is a test for that as well. This is usually contracted in areas where wildlife congregate near water. Their urine will contain this disease and it can be passed on to dogs or humans by contact with the mud or water.
The question is, if he has contracted Lyme, how long ago and will a prolonged and high dose treatment with doxycycline reverse some of the damage on the kidneys. Dogs can survive ok with less kidney function but it depends on the seriousness of the destruction. These are questions for a tick disease specialist.
Let’s see what the screening test returns but I think it might be a good idea to request a consultation with Dr. Dodds to explore what is happening. You can find her consultation form under the menu item above called Second Chance Resources, click on the top item Hemopet Resources. On this page are links to various Hemopet pages, one of which is a owner consultation page. Many of us have consulted with her about our dogs, she saved Chance’s life, and it is inexpensive.
my best, Patrice
Taylor,
Try to get some good sleep tonight. It will not help him tomorrow if you are tired and cranky. He will feel that he has done something wrong. Please be cheerful and happy with him. This is the most important thing to him right now, he is in a strange place but mom is with me and is happy. If you have to cry or get upset, go somewhere he can’t see this.
I’ll be thinking of both of you tonight.
patrice
Taylor
He is not eating because the nitrogenous wastes that are supposed to be excreted via the kidneys are staying in the blood. This is called azotemia. This makes him feel very ill. They should apply some of the above treatments to help remove these wastes from the blood.
Some medications that may be prescribed are:
Diuretics (remove excess fluids)
Antiemetics (reduce nausea)
Dopamine derivatives (Dopamine, a catecholamine and epinephrine precursor,
can be administered at a low dose (i.e., 1 to 3 µg/kg/min IV) to stimulate dopaminergic receptors, thus improving renal (increase urine output) perfusion. )
Mucosal protectants to counteract acidity (I recommend Sucralfate, which is used all the time in dogs, it is an “internal mucous bandage”)
Bicarbonates to re-establish chemical balance in the body
my best patrice
Taylor,
If you have noticed that some medical terms seem highlighted on the page. These items are part of a glossary called AIHA terms. If you click on the fly out box it will take you to a page with more detail about a particular term so you can understand it better.
my best patrice
Taylor,
Below my comments are some specific recommended treatment approaches for glomerulonephritis.
Remember that I have shared with you some specific information and the Dog Aware resource about feeding a dog with kidney disease. We now have values for the creatinine and bun, so you can figure out from Mary’s information what you should be doing with the diet, this may be considered moderate or more severe kidney function. I don’t necessarily agree with reducing protein yet, but your guideline is if he “starts showing symptoms such as vomiting, nausea,inappetence, ulcers and lethargy, which are caused by the build-up of nitrogen (failure of the kidneys to remove protein wastes from the blood) in the blood. Even then, feeding low protein will not extend life, but it will help the dog feel better. ”
Subcutaneous fluids can also help at this time . I suggest you have the vet techs show you how to use the sub-q fluids at home. This is very easy and is very productive in flushing the kidneys. They will give you sterile bags of fluid, a large gauge needle to insert in the floppy skin of the neck and a tube. All you need to do is find a lamp or something high to hang the bag on so it is higher than his neck. The needle goes into the loose skin of the neck and the fluid moves under this skin where it absorbed into the body slowly. It takes about 10 min to do this. For a while, the neck will look like a “camel hump.”
Here are the “official” recommendations for treatment.
Immunosuppressive drugs (like prednisone) to suppress immune complex formation. A very low dose of aspirin to prevent clotting within the glomeruli.
Omega-3 fatty acid supplementation (plain ol’ fish oil capsules) to help reduce the inflammatory response and prevent clotting.
Angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors such as enalapril (used for heart conditions) to minimize protein loss in the urine and to help control blood pressure.
Medications to control high blood pressure
Specialized prescription diets may be used in some instances.
Low protein, low phosphorus diets should be fed to pets in kidney failure. (I agree highly with the low phosphorus, but maintain the protein at normal if possible)
Low sodium diets should be fed to pets with hypertension. ( I don’t necessarily agree with this either but see what the vet suggests)
my best, patrice
Taylor,
So we have some interesting and revealing exam results. As I suspected there is non-regenerative anemia. The reticulocyte (baby blood cells made in the bone marrow) absolute value is 62,800, which is not a sufficient regenerative response by the bone marrow in relationship to the abnormally low value of HCT of 19.5% . This value should be closer to 150,000 reticulocytes.
Normocytic non-regenerative anemia simply means that the red blood cells in circulation are normal looking, they are the right size and shape and color, they hold the proper amount of hemoglobin and carry the proper amount of oxygen. There just aren’t enough of them anymore and this means he has anemia. Each day we normally destroy a small number of old worn out red blood cells and discard or recycle the elements. This is a normal process. It is not normal for the marrow to stop producing reticulocytes each day.
So at some point the bone marrow stopped making red blood cells. OR the accessory spleen, the benign growth they removed, and the spleen were providing the function of making red blood cells. This is called extramedullary hematopoiesis. This is the making of red blood cells in another location other than the bone marrow.
When we are in the uterus, we have no skeletal structure for a period of time so the fetus makes blood in other organs such as the spleen. This is normal until we develop a skeleton and are born. Sometimes after we are born the bone marrow fails to work properly and the body attempts to recover from this by having another organ like the spleen make blood, as it did before we were born. In Chance’s case the growth and his spleen were making his blood as the bone marrow failed due to an autoimmune attack. We removed the growth and the spleen and thus removed his source of new red blood cells. He developed severe non-regenerative anemia and he also stopped making white blood cells. A doubly serious condition.
On your chem screen the albumin is low, by a little, and the bun (a kidney waste value) is very high, as is the creatinine (another waste value.) The glucose is high as well, this is blood sugar (it could be a response to the prednisone.) Alkaline phosphatase is quite high as well, this can be associated with an inflamed liver but also with other inflammatory conditions as well.
The vet has noted in their final diagnosis: Protein Losing Nephropathy, Glomerulonephritis, Acidosis (moderate metabolic) and Normocytic Non-regenerative anemia.
So protein losing nephropathy is loss of protein from the kidneys. So the loss of protein from the kidneys is usually accompanied with a low albumin value. This protein, made by the liver, is in blood to help keep it “viscous.” Right now it is 2 and the low normal value is 2.2, so it’s not low by a lot. When albumin gets too low, fluid begins to leak out of the blood into local tissues, you may be seeing a fluid accumulation in the belly for instance. This influences blood pressure by lowering it and also increases the risk of blood clotting improperly. We do not want to see a further loss of albumin in the blood.
The vet uses another term glomerulonephritis. This is inflammation of the glomeruli, tiny structures in the kidneys that act as filters for the blood. When antibodies and antigens from the immune system are filtered out of the blood they can become trapped in the glomeruli. This alerts the immune system of the body which then attacks the glomeruli.
I am going to take a leap here and ask you if the vet tested at any point for tick diseases? This is really important to know. One particular condition related to Lyme disease is glomerulonephritis or Lyme nephritis, a condition in which the glomeruli in the kidneys which filter the blood are inflamed and destroyed by the immune system.
Please, asap, contact the vet’s office and find out if they performed a SNAP4DX test for tick diseases. If this is a recent exposure to Lyme there may be time to treat it aggressively with doxycycline. You can read about Lyme disease on Gil Ash’s website here:
https://sites.google.com/site/tickbornediseaseindogs/lyme
There is a lot to absorb here so please ask me the questions you need answered. I can explain things in a different way if that will help you understand.
my best patrice
Taylor,
Mary Straus says:
“Proteinuria: If more than a trace amount of protein is found in the urine, you should do a urine protein:creatinine (UPC) ratio to determine how significant it is. Significance to some extent is related to the stage of kidney disease: for dogs with normal kidney function (creatinine < 1.5), a UPC of 2.0 or less should be investigated for an underlying cause and closely monitored, while those with UPC > 2.0 should be treated. For dogs with creatinine levels above 1.4, UPC over 0.5 should be treated.”
So you see that there is a relationship between two kidney values and that is a critical value to know.
Also from her site:
“IDEXX Laboratories introduced a new test, the SDMA, for detecting loss of kidney function in 2015. This test can detect reduced kidney function when creatinine, BUN (Urea), and urine specific gravity are all still normal. It will be included with standard blood chemistry tests.
Urine specific gravity decreases when about 2/3 of kidney function has been lost, followed by increases in creatinine and BUN (Urea) when about 75% of kidney function has been lost. Prior to that point, the kidneys are able to function adequately even though they are not operating at full efficiency. The SDMA test identifies kidney disease on average when there is 40% loss of function (25% loss is the minimum level at which this test can detect a problem). On average, SDMA increases above normal about ten months (range: 2-27 months) earlier than creatinine rises above the normal range. Note, however, that a steady rise in creatinine over time, even if still within the normal range, may also signal loss of kidney function.
Remember that dogs, like people, need only half of one kidney (25% total function) in order to maintain normal kidney function. That’s why people can donate a kidney and remain perfectly healthy.”
So the question is, did your vet do an SDMA screening test and if they did what were the results. My vet is very excited about this new test because it helps her catch kidney problems much earlier than just using the standard chem screen.
So I don’t know what to say until I see either a chem screen or the results of an SDMA screening.
I do know, however, that you should assume there is some level of kidney involvement and feed accordingly.
Mary says this:
“Based on research done in the last ten years (see is a Low Protein Diet Necessary or Desirable?), that the only time it is necessary to feed a low protein diet is when your dog is uremic, which generally means BUN is over 80 mg/dL (equivalent to 28.6 mmol/L), creatinine is over 4.0 mg/dL (equivalent to 354 µmol/L), and the dog is showing symptoms such as vomiting, nausea,inappetence, ulcers and lethargy, which are caused by the build-up of nitrogen in the blood. Even then, feeding low protein will not extend life, but it will help the dog feel better. Subcutaneous fluids can also help at this time (and before).
If your dog has significant amounts of protein in the urine (urine protein:creatinine ratio above 1.0), then you may need to reduce protein moderately, enough to control the proteinuria, but a really low-protein diet is not considered beneficial, as it can lead to hypoalbuminemia (low albumin levels). It’s best to feed at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight daily (the grams of protein must be calculated from a nutritional analysis, it is NOT the same as grams of meat).
If your dog is not uremic, then the consensus seems to be to feed a moderate amount of very high quality protein. Eggs have the highest quality protein (although egg yolks are high in phosphorus), followed by meat (raw or cooked). The lowest quality protein comes from grains.”
We just don’t know which of these conditions apply, though you said he has been showing some signs such as inappetence? That doesn’t necessarily equate to a problem with uremia, it could be a side effect of the surgery and anesthesia.
By the way, if they offer to you to do a bone marrow biopsy, please decline right now. It is an invasive test, requires anesthesia and probably won’t improve the protocol of treatment that you are on right now. Let’s see how well he recovers after his surgery and then evaluate this in a few weeks.
my best, patrice