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Hello, I have a small Malti mix I rescued a year ago. When I got her she was very shinny and had some really bad skin sores. Rather stinky and super bad breath. It has been a bit of an up hill battle but I got her to walk, eat play a little. I was very happy. Now. I have done some reading on this disease and .. to be honest, I am not sure what to believe so, I will just lay the facts out there.
a week ago, she had diarrhea, not super bad but very very soft with a mucus around it ( I know, I pick it up) this was two weeks after I gave her flea drop ( advantage II and heartguard) She is heartworm negative. So I brought her to the vet and the doc said she had a tape worm. He gave her a shot. 24 hours after this shot ( i do not know if any of this is connected) She became exactly the same dog that she was when I found her. Lethargic and completely off her food. Since she was drinking water I was not all too concerned until I found her laying in her own pee. Caused an alarm to sound in me. I cleaned her up and gave her a good looking over. yellow whites of her eyes, tongue was very pale. Off to the vet we go. Doc thinks it was AIHA and wanted to do some tests. Sure enough the doc thinks that is what it is but tells me it may be a secondary condition to something else. Ie: cancer etc. Now, She was there for 2 days, IV ,radiograph, IV antibiotics. I got to pick her up today and she is on: Atopica 10mg 2x per day. Pred tabs 2.5mgs 2x per day. Zobuxa 34mg 1x per day and Clavamox 62.5 mg 2x per day. The reason I am here is.. Its not that I do not trust my vet. I do. I just want to see how other people have handled this and what to expect. I am a little scared because I really love this little girl. She has a super personality. so, any thoughts? leads? things I should be reading? Anything at all. Thank you for taking time to read this.
Al n Casy
I am sorry you are here and your pup is not well. I am not good with the medical information but I am sure that soon others will post to help you. For now I am here to listen and support you. I have a dog in “remission” Her name is Coal she is 10mo old. I hope that you hear from others soon.
Prayers
Amy & Coal
Al n Casy,
I am sorry to read this. This has been very sudden and difficult for you. You must be very worried.
Some of this is complicated to understand, like your Malti’s genetics, but some of this is quite easy to understand.
Each of us, whether we are dogs or humans, inherits certain characteristics that determine our resistance to stress and our ability to remain healthy.
In the dog world, there are an increasing number of diseases and conditions that dogs (and especially certain breeds) are expressing. Allergies and orthopedic conditions are two that you might understand. Autoimmune diseases is another of these conditions. AIHA, IMHA and bone marrow failure are autoimmune conditions that can be expressed when the immune system that has been challenged by something in the environment that it finds toxic.
In your case your Malti was exposed to multiple flea, tick and parasite medications in a very short time. This was overwhelming to her very delicate immune system. Seeing that she had at one time in her life been very sick, it is quite possible she was still in a very sensitive state. She has responded to this stress with an autoimmune condition that is leading the immune system to mistakenly attack “self” and in this case it is destroying red blood cells.
I know you are reading a lot of things right now on the internet and it is very easy to become overwhelmed. While you need to know some details to make decisions for your Malti, you also don’t have all the time in the world to learn everything about this.
Multiple sources can have conflicting information and that will be very confusing. Your vet has not explained this very well to you either and probably would be defensive if you suggested that he shouldn’t have administered these flea, tick and parasite medications.
We developed this site with two goals in mind, to help anyone, everyone who has a very sick dog. We have all been through this with our own dogs and we have experienced the same terror and confusion that you are having. Secondly, we have spend years researching and learning about these conditions so we can help owners make decisions that will help their dog live. The information we provide to you is sound and accurate. When we aren’t sure we say that as well. We have consultants that we can check our accuracy with.
First, put the cancer business out of your mind for now. It is more likely right now, that this is exactly what it often is, an autoimmune response to the stress of a recent application of flea, tick and parasite medication. It’s not quite as simple as that, but that was the tipping point that led to this.
We don’t necessarily want to tell owners that they should not trust their vet, but in some cases, if an owner just doesn’t get a good feeling we do suggest finding another vet, or perhaps consulting a specialist. I feel your anxiety and I think there was a little bit of half truths in your vet’s behavior that has led you to feel unsure of what he is saying and doing.
There are two things you could do right now. Find a specialist and get a second opinion. We also suggest that in lieu of this expense that you do a consultation with Dr. Dodds and we have a link to that page here on the website. Her fee is inexpensive and she can be quite helpful by email with you. We have all received life saving help from Dr. Dodds. Chance, who the website is in memory of, was saved by Dr. Dodds. Think of this as a second opinion, just as you would get for a member of your family, and your vet should welcome that opinion.
Go to this link
https://www.secondchanceaihadogs.com/hemopetresources/
And select the picture of the Owner Consultation Form. This will take you to the website where you can request a second opinion from Dr. Dodds.
At the bottom of this page you can also read about Dr. Dodds and how she has helped dogs for many years.
The meds are ok for now, but there may be some adjustments that could be made. I would like you now to ask your vet to approve the use of some kind of stomach acid protection. You can also use any over the counter generic such as pepcid. For this little body, one tablet a half hour before the first meal of the day with prednisone in it will work. Make sure the Atopica is given away from meals, with no food, by at least 2 hours on either side.
Your Malti is going to have side effects from the prednisone, notably more drinking, eating and peeing. Do not get upset if she makes a mistake in the house. Take her out more frequently and sleep with her if you have to so that she can get out quickly. She is going to feel very uncomfortable.
There are other suggestions about diet and other supplements but right now just use some very simple foods like plain cooked chicken and overcooked rice. A little yogurt and perhaps an egg.
Meanwhile, read some of the information on the website. You can browse the Second Chance Resources, AIHA Terms, watch two short introductory videos and read Our Stories.
Do I think she will survive? Yes, I have seen many dogs that have caring owners survive. Because you are a good mommy, you noticed something was wrong and you took immediate action. That has saved her life.
Now to help her suppress this crazy immune system you need to use some harsh drugs that have some lousy side effects. But this will save her life also. We need to keep her healthy while she is being treated. That means easy to digest simple food, lots of clean water, low stress at home. All good nursing care. Please begin to keep a diary in the kitchen and note all times when you are giving meds, the dosages and the names. Mark down things like potty times, symptoms you notice etc. We will need to add a few supplements to correct for some of the side effects on the body from the prednisone.
Vally will help you create a medication chart so you can sort this all out. Do not fret, we know what must be done and we will guide you.
What questions do you have?
my best patrice
Patrice,
Thank you for your time in explaining all of this. It is very kind of you to take this time and create a site like this.
I have been talking with Val on a different link. This person has been a Godsend. I am grateful.
I have an appointment with my vet tomorrow to get bloodwork done. I have taken off the past and next few days, perhaps weeks in order to giver her the time and attention she deserves.
As for the pee pee in the house… It matters naught to me if she pee’s on my head, never mind the floor.
Val has been keeping up with me and her recovery thus far. The meds have been spaced out in a more acceptable time frame and, my doctor never told me about the Atopica and food. I will bring this up tomorrow. I have found that the Zobuxa has been causing her to throw up. I have stopped using this for now.
She is eating more and more each day. Roasted chicken seems to do the trick. No seasonings just a bird in the oven, standing so not to soak the breast meat with the chicken fat. I do this over a double boiler so the meat does not dry out.
Her energy level is up. and the urine color is getting lighter each day.
She is very skinny. almost like when I first got her. But she has spunk.
I will find out more tomorrow. Thank you again for your help and concern.
Al, & Casy
AmyE,
Thank you for your concern. That means a lot to me. Just knowing I have you folks has made this easier.