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- Rocky — IMHA, day 16
Vally,
In most cases vet have been advising using both some type of acid blocker (like pepcid or prilosec) and an additional medicine to protect the stomach (like sucralfate.) The acid blocker reduces the strong acid of the stomach walls and that reduces the prednisone from eroding that tissue. The sucralfate behaves likes a mucous bandage to heal and protect just in case ulcers have already developed.
my best, patrice
Lauren,
I am so sorry to read about Rocky. I am glad you have found a good vet and that the treatment protocol is perfect! You can help a lot at home by making sure the medications and supplements are given properly and that the food he gets is easy to digest.
I do recommend the use of Denamarin and used it with Chance. It is a pharmaceutical grade veterinary supplement made by Nutrimax. There are two ingredients. The first is Sam-e, a natural substance that helps the liver cells recover from the damage caused by processing prednisone. The other is silybin which is the active part of an extract from milk thistle, known as silymarin. This helps reduce oxidative stress in the liver. At one point Chance’s liver enzymes were close to 10x the normal values. His liver was very unhappy and it made him very uncomfortable. Denamarin quickly brought those numbers down to very near normal. You will see this on the chemical screen tests as alanine transaminase (ALT) and Alkaline phosphatase (ALP, ALKP.)
Use caution when giving any of these supplements so that they don’t conflict with the medications you are giving.
Pepcid and other acid protection should be given about an hour before a meal. Prednisone should always be given with the meal, not on an empty stomach. That alone helps protect the stomach.
Sucralfate is literally a bandage that coats, so it can block absorption of nutrients and medications. I found the best time to give it was on an overnight fast. But put at least one hour before meals/meds and two or three hour after dosing meds and food.
Atopica (cyclosporine) needs to be given on an empty stomach for best absorption. It can have a side effect of nausea and diarrhea in the first week. You could try giving it with food during this time until Rocky adjusts to it, that usually helps significantly. Then once he is adjusted switch to giving on an empty stomach.
Denamarin, because it contains Sam-e, should be given on an empty stomach, at least one hour before feeding, because food decreases the absorption.
Trying to juggle all these meds is tricky. Mark works days and I work nights so we were able to dose Chance with all his meds around the clock very easily. If you both work the same schedule it becomes tougher. Asking a family member or good neighbor to help can make things run smoothly. We made up a chart so we could check off when a med was given.
Keep a notebook in the kitchen and jot everything down each day, all the meds, dosages and times and details like how much food he ate, how did he feel, did he take a walk, do his business. My little book was invaluable and I still have it where I can look at it now and then, 7 years later, just to remind me how hard this was but how successful we were treating him. Chance’s progress is carefully marked in detail. On one page I write that Chance actually walked all the way across the school field to the playground that night! It was the first time he had been able to do that in months. I noticed as he got much better we got sloppy and didn’t always enter on a daily basis. A sign that he had improved so much we no longer worried about him recovering.
What you will be doing at home is good nursing care, making sure he gets his medications and nutritious easy to digest food. Lots of fresh water. A quiet environment and plenty of rest. Prednisone will make him feel very hot so put up some small fans on the floor with a folded blanket so he can cool off. When his liver begins to become enlarged from the prednisone he may not want to be on soft surfaces like the couch or bed and will seek out these cooler hard surfaces. But the folded blanket will protect his elbows. Chance’s elbows became raw from the prednisone.
He is going to be peeing all the time. We got to the point that we would sleep on the couch so we could get him out around the clock. I would get home at 1am and relieve Mark on the couch. If your dog is house trained, he will feel awful if he can’t help himself and pees in the house, make a special effort to get him out often.
He may not want to take a walk, but be sure to spend the same amount of time with him each day that you normally would spend on the walk. I would go through the routine of putting on his collar, getting the leash and then Chance and I would make it to the end of the driveway and then sit there watching the world go by. I tried in every way to make sure he thought that life was perfectly normal. There were times when he justed wanted to be left alone and I honored that. This disease and the drugs can make a dog feel uncomfortable.
With good care, he recovered. I have seen this happen many hundreds of times with other owners and their dogs since Chance was ill . The nursing care is what makes the difference. I see the same thing happening for Rocky, you are good owners and you have done all the right things.
my best
patrice
Hi Lauren
Oh, poor Rocky – what a rough time he’s been through & you & your husband have been brilliant. I’m so glad you’ve found us here. We all understand how shocking it is to hear our pet has this disease & because it is pretty rare, it’s a very worrying time. It sounds to me like your vets have done an excellent job with the medications & have sensibly added another immuno-suppressant.
Everyone on here has given you great advice already, so I won’t repeat it! I will just add that I also think you should get some sucralfate – it is an excellent drug for healing & preventing stomach ulcers. My dog Worzel had awful tummy ache until we added that to the medicines, but it must be given well away from the other drugs (2 hours is recommended) in case it prevents their absorbance.
It is really good news that Rocky’s platelets have stabilised & the PCV has come up a bit too. A reticulocyte level of 166,000 (which means he is classed as regenerative) is also great news. The cyclosporine is a very effective drug for this disease & I am hoping you will see a big improvement now.
You have a long road ahead with the nursing care, but you can get Rocky through this. We are here to help as much as we can – as Patrice said, coping with the side effects of peeing more, being hot, losing muscle etc etc are unfortunately “usual” with the drugs.
Lauren, you are doing a great job – hoping the cyclosporine will bring Rocky up to normal levels really soon. Anything you are worried about? You only have to ask & we will try & help. The people on here helped me more than I can express with moral support, good advice & kindness when Worzel was ill.
Let us know how your are doing when you can – & try & get some rest yourself!
All our very best wishes
Sheena, Worzel (diagnosed Dec 2012 with very rare form of IMHA) & Ollie too!
PS Forgot to say you can look up information on the drugs, medical terms etc in our “AIHA terms” section.
Hi Lauren. I’m so sorry to hear about Rocky, but pleased you have found this site! I’m very new to this too with my cocker spaniel, Nula. She became ill on Easter Sunday and also needed to be hospitalised with blood transfusions. I’m no where near as knowledgeable as the others on this site, but the Atopica really helped Nula, along with the dexamethasone. The others on here can give you tons of advice, and have been an invaluable support to me! Hang in there, you’ve done brilliantly getting Rocky treatment in time! This disease comes on so so fast! Fingers crossed Rocky keeps doing well! Xxxxxx
Hi All!
Thank you so much for the amazing response!
Rocky did not have an appetite the first week. While he was in the hospital, they hand fed him, but for the most part he turned his nose up at everything. Since we have been home, he has much more of an appetite.
What kind of food would you suggest feeding?
Has anyone heard of the Bio-Algae Concentrate? I’ve done some reading about it, but not sure how I feel about it.
Rocky had his first accident in the house yesterday. My husband works 10 minutes from the house, and he was letting him out every 2 hours or so. For now, I think he is just going to work from home so that Rocky doesn’t have to hold it. Poor guy, he was so embarrassed. We, of course, don’t care. I’m just glad he is eating and drinking. Carpet can be replaced, my dog cannot.
His reticulocye count 1 week ago was 295,000, and went down to 166,000. But they said that it was ok, that he was still regenerating. Hid bilirubin was originally 2.2, and is down to 0.4, so they said that he isn’t lysing the cells any longer.
I will get a copy of all of his blood work and try to post it here. I’ll also post a picture of my boy.
Where can I buy milk-thistle?
Thanks,
Lauren
Hello Lauren,
what a team you and your husband and what a lucky boy Rocky to have the two of you on his side! Just as Patrice said, this can make a big difference. i loved how she described how she got Chance ready for a walk and then made it to the end of the driveway to watch the world go by. She told me exactly the same thing 4 years ago and we did that:) I think it is important to keep a certain routine for the dog and try and treat him as if this would be the most normal thing in the world and give him the security that you have things under control. I can tell how much you love Rocky, much more than your carpet:)
Posting your lab results would be great, someone will be able to tell you more about it. Yes it is great that Rocky is eating! When they don’t eat, it is always such a struggle. many people keep feeding the food they fed before their dog got ill. Others start cooking for their dog. I just wanted to do more that put those nasty (but necessary) pills into my dog so I started cooking his food. Dr. Dodds has a recipe for a liver cleansing diet:
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/liver_diet.htm
I live on the pacific coast and had easy access to reasonably priced white fish, if you don’t you can replace the fish with lean chicken or turkey.
The Bio Algae always comes up as a supplement. I would highly discourage it at this point. I know that it sounds miraculous, but at this point it could be harmful. It claims to boost the immune system and this is exactly what you are trying NOT to do, Rocky’s immune system needs to be suppressed to stop the attack on his red blood cells.
You can buy milk thistle as a capsule at health food stores. You can just open the capsule and spread it on Rocky’s food. We used a tincture that I got through the vet. Also ask the vet for Denemarin, it can really help Rocky’s liver stay healthy. Again remember the stomach protection, this too should come from the vet. I would recommend that if you add anything to Rocky’s drugs to clear it with your vet first.
Rocky is on the right path, it will take lots of patience but he has a great team in his corner!
Best wishes,
Brigitte
I was leaning towards ‘no’ on the bio-algae, but the way that you explained it makes sense. We don’t want to rev up his immune system.
We are just feeding him IAMS, but are willing to switch him to a better quality, I just don’t know what else would be better. We are also giving him fresh (scrambled) eggs from a friend’s farm twice a day. That was the first thing that he started eating since the diagnosis.